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This is how Gerry Adams reported his brother’s abuse to social services (it’s quite something)

Thu 10 October 2013, 9:31am

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From the court records, I think this is worth a thread on its own. It’s pretty much how Gerry Adams reported the news that his brother Liam was abusing his own daughter to the Social Services in Belfast. Well, no. That’s not what Gerry did. This is what the leader (then as now) of Sinn Fein actually did the day after he heard the news:

Q. Well may I suggest to you that you, as the Member of Parliament for this area, reporting your own family to the Health Visitor , because of concerns about hygiene and lice, is surely something that would stick in your mind?
A. Well I can’t give you the answer; other than the answer that I have given you.
Q. Well do you dispute that you did make the complaint?
A. Well if I brought anything to the attention of Health Visitors (or anyone else) it wasn’t as a complaint; it was to try and help in the situation. But I ……I don’t have a recollection. This is in ’87 and ’86, so I don’t have a recollection. I do have a recollection of meeting with a Health Visitor in the house. My memory of that was almost that it was accidental, that I was either in the house and she came in, or she was in the house when I went into it.
Q. Well now that’s another occasion, Mr Adams. It wasn’t the Health Visitor you met on that occasion, it was the Social Worker.
A. Right.
Q. …called Sheila Brannigan.
A. Right.

Q. And that was on the 10th of March of 1987, the day after the meeting in Buncrana. You told police, in your interview ……or in your statement, rather, to them in June of 2007 that you recalled neither meeting Miss or Mrs Brannigan, but had no reason to dispute that it happened. Nor did you remember making the complaint to the Health Visitor, or report to the Health Visitor but, again, you’d no reason to dispute that it…that it happened. Now you recall, no doubt, coming to this Court on last Thursday? […]

I have nothing more to add. Just be careful and measured in how respond…

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  1. cynic2 (profile) says:

    It is hard to respond. Clearly he was just a concerned uncle. One day he realizes his brother has raped his daughter and in a supportive and positive way the next day he contacts Social Services and reports the mother of the girl for keeping a dirty house.

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  2. Dec (profile) says:

    ‘I have nothing more to add.’
    I seriously doubt that.

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  3. Rory Carr (profile) says:

    “It’s quite something,” all right, and also totally nothing – a piece of excised script from which one may make of what one will. Now can be built around it all the fevered and prejudiced imaginings of all those who have built up a storm of resentment over many years against Adams and his political momentum. Excluding however, Mick himself who has “nothing more to add.”
    All the addition will be supplied by the pack who, as Fleggers counselled to keep within the law by the DUP, will hardly be constrained by the get-out warning, “Just be constrained and measured in how (sic) respond…“. As though constraint has been the hallmark of response so far to all the targets set up since the conviction of Liam Adams. Rather it has seemed at times as though we were on the midway of a fairground with the barkers calling us to have a free shy as they set up their coconuts.
    Unedifying.

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  4. megatron (profile) says:

    I have no comment except this story is not referenced at all on rte news website, you need to look very hard to find it on independent website and it is not on front page on Irish Times website.
    I am giving up making comments on the story itself.

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  5. Nevin (profile) says:

    “this story is not referenced at all on rte news website”
    megatron, the latest update was ’22:53, Wednesday, 09 October 2013′.
    “it is not on front page on Irish Times website.”
    Role of Gerry Adams now under scrutiny by North’s Police Ombudsman and Attorney General – Wed, Oct 9, Irish Times
    “Liam Adams paedophile case: watchdog investigating police handling” .. Guardian, Oct 9
    The reviews also make it into some of the smaller papers too:
    “Review of Adams ‘cover-up’ decision” .. South Wales Guardian, Oct 7.
    “Gerry Adams faces review over brother’s sex abuse” .. Yorkshire Post, Oct 10

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  6. Nevin (profile) says:

    Rory, ‘fevered’, ‘prejudiced imaginings’, ‘storm of resentment’ and ‘unedifying’. To coin a phrase: calm down, dear.

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  7. Mick Fealty (profile) says:

    How could you comment further Dec/Meg?

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  8. carlota martinez (profile) says:

    One can’t but feel for the plight of Aine Tyrell in the midst of this unedifying spectacle.
    Who was it that was convicted of her abuse?

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  9. foyle observer (profile) says:

    How unbelievable boring is Slugger becoming this weather.
    How many threads started by Pete and Mick on Edwin Poots?

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  10. foyle observer (profile) says:

    *unbelievably

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  11. Dixie Elliott (profile) says:

    Rory Carr and the various others who see no hypocrisy when it comes to members of SF…
    “Commenting this morning on the report on clerical sexual abuse of children in the Dublin Diocese Sinn Féin Vice President Mary Lou McDonald said anyone found to have covered up the abuse of children should be arrested and face the full rigours of the law….”
    28 November, 2009
    So is it OK for the likes of Cardinal Daly to face the ‘full rigours of the law’ and not the likes of Gerry Adams who likewise covered up the abuse of a child?
    Or is Mary Lou a hypocrite?

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  12. Alias (profile) says:

    “Or is Mary Lou a hypocrite?”
    Merely a career politician who won’t dare to call for her own party boss to be subject to the full rigours of the law that she calls for everyone else to be subject to as that level of consistency would terminate her career. Wee Mary Lou will just suck it up like the rest of the stooges.

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  13. Dixie Elliott (profile) says:

    Those trying to defend Adams would claim to be Republicans, doubtful though that claim may be, especially given what they sheepishly try and defend.
    My question is this; what do they say to the fact, that knowing his father was a paedophile, he went ahead and gave him a Republican funeral?
    Given that over these threads I’ve asked several questions which they’ve ignored in the interests of self-delusion, I doubt they’ll respond this time.

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  14. megatron (profile) says:

    Mick – on previous threads I have stated that Gerry Adams acted incorrectly – he almost certainly broke the law (I will the certainty to the courts) and he should resign as leader of SF. Not sure what extra comment is below.
    I am merely pointing out that this is not being taken up by mainstream news sites YET.
    Despite what Nevin has said I cant find it on the rte news front page (I am sure there is a story stored somewhere) and likewise on irish times and independent they carry the story but it is buried way down from the lead.
    If anything merits a further blog post that would be a good one to discuss – why are the mainstream media ignoring (for the most part) this story.

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  15. megatron (profile) says:

    Sorry for some jumbled english on the last post – meant to read:
    I will leave the certainty to the courts.
    and
    Not sure what extra comment is required.
    Can we have an edit feature?

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  16. megatron (profile) says:

    Dixie,
    I think its obvious that nobody is answering your query because nobody knows why a family makes decisions about funerals.

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  17. Drumlins Rock (profile) says:

    I am finding it increasingly difficult to understand how anyone as incoherent as Gerry got to be the leader of any political party. Maybe that’s his method, create as much confusion as possible and hope the questions go away.
    It is sad that so many republicans on here are unwilling to allow any criticism, and by so doing are once again sharing in the guilt, I guess as supporters of child murders it is not really surprising but all the same you would hope for some humanity to show through.
    From the comments here it is clear Gerry will hold on his position as leader for life, we might even see another purge of those who pose a threat, on a personal level most unionist would love to see the back of this relic, but politically, long may he reign.

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  18. Dixie Elliott (profile) says:

    Slightly off topic but the April 22nd court transcripts also proves that Adams was dishonest with IRA volunteers to the point that many lost their lives needlessly.
    This is an admission from Adams own mouth that he was talking to the Brits while still telling IRA volunteers that the War would go on…
    Q: Mr Adams, have I asked you anything about the RUC just, or Social Services? We’re coming to that in due course. And the Good Friday Agreement certainly wasn’t being negotiated in 1987; was it?
    A: The Good Friday Agreement wasn’t, but the peace process was.
    Q: The peace process had begun then; had it?
    A: Well the history of that is now well known, and you don’t need me to give you through all of the dates involved.

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  19. Dixie Elliott (profile) says:

    …the point is that Adams now backs up what was always denied and that is; in his book ‘A Secret History of the IRA’ Ed Moloney claimed that from 1986 Gerry Adams with Fr Alex Reid in tow was seeking a way out of the War and firstly met the Free Staters [ clearly they then told the Brits] John Hume and later the British.
    The Dark himself said* that after touring the country in 1987 he told McGuinness that the IRA wasn’t ready to use the Libyan weapons and that another year of training was needed…
    McGuinness said that they needed a push right away as rumours were circulating that they were in the process of winding down the War.
    Clearly if Adams had intentions of a peace process instead of encouraging an upsurge they had the excuse to wind things down on the Dark’s recommendation?
    How many IRA Volunteers died between then and 1994 who didn’t know what a priest knew?
    *The IRA and Armed Struggle by Rogelio Alonso.

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  20. qwerty12345 (profile) red card says:

    I really couldn’t care less about the political fortunes of Gerry Adams – he hasn’t lived up to the standards he has asked of others.
    No tears if he were to go over this, although it’s unlikely.
    Now, what would be an interesting discussion would be why will Adams survive this (EVEN if he were still MP for West Belfast)
    A good starting point might be the recent alleged shooting of a young woman by the UVF while we all collectively stare into the flegger / OO / DUP on the platform abyss. While Unionism shows little sign of even the most basic of reform I’m afraid this flurry of posts on “The Beard” isn’t going to hold much sway with anyone.

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  21. Mick Fealty (profile) says:

    Qwerty,
    I think I agree with that, although it has less to do with just one incident and more to do with a much longer term configuration between nats and unionists, comprising Realpolitik, failure of political narrative, and, if you like, some pretty heavy bad karma.

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  22. sherdy (profile) says:

    Mick, – How many ways and how many times can you rehash the same story?
    Presumably your only motives are altruistic – concerned for the welfare of Aine.

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  23. Michael (profile) says:

    Just as in the whole troubles – things are getting mixed up here. First and foremost there was an internal family tragedy that took place and that is the most important issue.
    Secondly – at the time it happened this place was a seriously screwed up place. If Adams did what he probably should have done – gone straight to the authorities with full disclosure – then he probably would have been sacrificing his own career at that time and he and we know what that would have meant, well actually we only know in hindsight what it would have meant.
    It may seem absolutely crazy now that a situation existed where that even had to be considered – but it did and no one has to have faux outrage at what he didn’t do.
    I’d say that even now he is unable to make full disclosure – precisely because of what is happening on these pages and in knowledge of what would happen in mainstream media if more was leaked. Goodness knows what the family did internally to address it – we will never know, probably much like the families of many abusers but without the global profile.
    Right now he has a legacy to protect and he will protect it with all his will until it is torn away by disclosure or betrayal.
    I think everyone here “gets” this so I am surprised that people are poking this thing as if anyone is actually surprised that the stench was covered up.

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  24. Mick Fealty (profile) says:

    Michael,
    This is not meant to be flippant, rather just a way to make an important political point…
    Do you hear anyone from the party in any official capacity defending their leader? You don’t because what’s he’s done historically and in the recent past, is utterly indefensible.
    That tells you everything you need to know about this situation. There are several other take aways from this too, which ought to worry republican activists.
    To be blunt, if the man can lie so easily to a member of his own family, aren’t you just a little worried that he’s been lying to you too?

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  25. Michael (profile) says:

    But that is exactly the point – who is going to wash their linen in public when it is about child abuse – that is so toxic that no-one is going to hang him out to dry on it. His legacy is their legacy. Keep head down and it’ll blow over is the line.
    I think more than anything this reinforces how shaky this whole edifice is – now people begin to see it, pull a thread and it unravels. But at what cost. I suppose we won’t know until someone really gets hold of a thread and doesn’t stop til there’s political blood all over Connolly House. I don’t think this is it. Not over child abuse.
    If anyone is anyway thorough in their thought process they won’t have magic tinted glasses on anymore about how the process got played out back then or how “special” anyone was in their role (except for John Hume who stands above all for articulating a process). The debunking continues but with so much unspoken – culminating in “what was it all for”.
    I suppose whoever gets to that conversation first has freed themselves from the past, but I don’t see it in this episode.

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  26. cynic2 (profile) says:

    Michael
    “Just as in the whole troubles – things are getting mixed up here. ” Why is that phrase in here. You are attempting to equate this with other wrongs?
    “First and foremost there was an internal family tragedy that took place and that is the most important issue.”
    No first and foremost a child was raped . then she was ignored and her rapist father was put in charge of many other children when the Party President did not warn them or stop his activities in these araes
    Secondly – at the time it happened this place was a seriously screwed up place.
    Is it any different now? I also doubt we will agree on who played the biggest part in screwing it up
    “If Adams did what he probably should have done – gone straight to the authorities with full disclosure – then he probably would have been sacrificing his own career at that time and he and we know what that would have meant, well actually we only know in hindsight what it would have meant.”
    If he had done it immediately Liam would have gone to gaol earlier and been out by now and the risk to other children avoided> Gerry would probably have been lauded for blowing the gaff on him.
    ” It may seem absolutely crazy now that a situation existed where that even had to be considered – but it did and no one has to have faux outrage at what he didn’t do.”
    My outrage isn’t faux. i am genuinely outraged at what that girl was put through. Arent you? Do you seriously feel that her outrage is ‘faux’ too,
    I’d say that even now he is unable to make full disclosure – precisely because of what is happening on these pages and in knowledge of what would happen in mainstream media if more was leaked.
    ” So what you are saying is that it is even worse than we already know? I do not understand your logic.
    Goodness knows what the family did internally to address it – we will never know, probably much like the families of many abusers but without the global profile.
    ” We do have an inkling what ‘the beard’ did. Aine has told us
    “Right now he has a legacy to protect and he will protect it with all his will until it is torn away by disclosure or betrayal”
    Ah so he’s being noble and not saving his own political skin. Dream on. And what legacy do you see? NI locked in the UK, The Irish Constitutional Claim gone? Over 80% of people in de nurth saying they want to stay in the UK?
    “I think everyone here “gets” this so I am surprised that people are poking this thing as if anyone is actually surprised that the stench was covered up.”
    I am not surprised. I am still outraged

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  27. Sp12 (profile) says:

    Mick
    Either you’re Oscar Wilde or Oscar Wilde loves your wordsmithery (Is that a real word, I dunno, I’m more at home with scala myself, which is far more elegant than English)
    http://www.politics.ie/forum/sinn-fein/216588-should-gerry-adams-resign-his-seat-103.html#post7284041
    ;)

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  28. son of sam (profile) says:

    . the headline on Liam Clarkes column in the Belfast Telegraph today says it all”Adams’credibility is now beyond repair”.With the imminence of the elections in Norther Ireland next year,will many of the Sinn Fein candidates want to be seen with him on the campaign trail?As Clarke remarks”such a reek of scandal now surrounds him that he is blocking the Sinn Fein message”.

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  29. Michael (profile) says:

    cynic2
    Don’t read that as a defence of what he did – if you do you are putting your own spin on it. It’s more a question of asking what the hell way did people think he would react? There is a logic (not a justification) to what he did.
    It’s an ugly logic but shit wasn’t everything ugly then. We live in different times now – don’t go thinking attitudes that are at large today were around back then.
    The faux outrage is clear – as if people are outraged all of a sudden that Gerry Adams didn’t cooperate with the security forces about a rape, at a time when hundreds of people were being killed, in a war. You already have him as a monster. Come on, time to grow up.

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  30. Mick Fealty (profile) says:

    Not me…

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  31. Dixie Elliott (profile) says:

    The confusing thing about this is, when Aine went to the RUC in 1987 she says they tried to recruit her as an informer.
    Aine was willing to have her father arrested and charged with rape and abuse, why didn’t they go ahead and use the unquestionably valuable propaganda against Gerry Adams?
    OK so Liam was living in Buncrana but the RUC could have asked to have him extradited thus at least using the publicity against Gerry whether or not they succeeded.
    But they didn’t they tried to recruit Aine. Strange to say the least.

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  32. ArdoyneUnionist (profile) says:

    From this article not did Gerry know so did the provos, and they were to get Laim out of the country, and this is where Gerry’s reference to Liam being in America or Canada.
    According to this article he was hiding with an Irish priest in the priests IRA hide out in New York.
    So not only did Gerry and the IRA know, now the Roman Catholic church are implicated, in the guise of priest Moloney.
    “In 1984, when the Provisional IRA needed someone to hide Liam Adams, they turned to a priest in New York for help. The approach to Father Patrick Moloney came not long after his first brush with the law. He remembers it was 1984 because it was the year he was acquitted of gun-running charges.
    The approach to Father Moloney came from Belfast Provos, and Gerry Adams played no direct role in finding a bolthole for his brother. That was not surprising, since the priest distrusted the Sinn Féin leader’s politics; he would probably have given him short shrift. But he was ready to help. It was clear Liam was in trouble, although Moloney did not know why.
    Liam Adams’s marriage to Sally Corrigan effectively ended in 1982 and he had taken up with another girl, Bronagh, who joined him in his New York hideout for a while and later married him in Dundalk. A picture of a smiling Gerry Adams at their wedding reception would eventually blow a hole in the Sinn Féin leader’s cover story that he and Liam had been estranged since 1987.
    “My understanding at the time was that they wanted him out of circulation,” said Moloney. “Gerry had no contact with me. It was other Belfast people, from the republican movement. [Liam] had been paraded around from pillar to post until he came to me. He was just a loose wire in some ways, and they were also a little bit afraid of him. How shall I put this? He was a weak link in the chain. I don’t think they trusted him.”
    http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/Sunday_Times/arts2010/feb28_how_IRA_hid_Liam_Adams__EMoloney.php

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  33. Charles_Gould (profile) says:

    Gerry Adams appalls me. So low in moral integrity.

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  34. Mick Fealty (profile) says:

    Dixie, I think you are making the mistake of reading too much into too little in the way of evidence.
    Aine will almost certainly have felt that pressure. But isn’t one of the heavier prices the people of west paid for relying on paramilitary policing that they could be so heavily compromised in reaching out to state services/forces, no?

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  35. Zig70 (profile) says:

    So Gerry didn’t want to go to the police. Non story.
    Gerry has dubious moral barometer. Again, news flash.
    Gerry sounds a bit dilusional, have you read his twitter feed?
    Nats who dislike poots is at 110%.
    I’m a wee bit surprised the lack of traction in the south.
    Most nats who are old enough would appreciate the 60s/70s were a difficult time. Gerry was a construct of that situation and unionist someday will accept their role in leadership being thrust on him.
    Aside from that the actual law in terms of witnesss is being missed. Is this why Jim is quiet and Poots isn’t in terms of lawmakers who understand the law. You could write endlessly about screwed up witness statements but thats not really the point. The question people are asking is why didn’t he have him dissapeared if he is the bogey man of their mothers knee.

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  36. Dixie Elliott (profile) says:

    I think your missing my point Mick, the RUC had the chance to embarrass Adams and the Republican Movement yet they chose not to take it, opting instead to attempt to recruit Aine.
    Given the fact she had gone to them to have her father charged with rape would indicate she would not be close to the family of Gerry Adams nor would she be able to get close to him or the wider Republican Movement so what use to them would she be as an informer or her mother for that matter?
    As a source of valuable anti-Gerry Adams / Republican Movement propaganda she would have been more useful to them. Would she not?

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  37. Mick Fealty (profile) says:

    I’m nit picking Dixie. I just think it’s hard enough to use in that way. Night zig…

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  38. New Yorker (profile) says:

    If no major SF people are condemning Adams on this does it mean they approve of his actions or lack of appropriate action? If this happened in any other party would there not have been strong public condemnation by major party people? If this were in the US he would be out in the cold and scorned if for no other reason than the party being afraid of being associated with such shameful behaviour.

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