ONE THING IN COMMON THE VICTIM WAS IGNORED

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Silver Foxes: Tried one, you’ve tried them all

Spiv &The Daily Chimpanzee

I see Clifford the dog is off to a flying start in his trial.
Course, that is hardly a surprise is it?
I mean, have you noticed how all the witnesses in these historical abuse cases are a bit crap and a little unbelievable – The exception being Stuart Hall’s accusers obviously.
Now before you get your hackles up bear with me because I’m not saying that the victims are lying, and I most definitely am not saying that Max Clifford is innocent… In fact, anyone who thinks that he is innocent has their head buried that far up their arse they can see daylight through their ears.
However, these historical abuse court cases all follow the same script.
For instance, Clifford – like all the others – appears to have carried out his noncing between the mid 1960′s through to the mid 1980′s.
And just like all the others, that puts him in his late teens, early twenties when the first offences occurred – which coincidentally are usually the worst of the charges.
Course, this registers in the carefully selected juries minds as being halfway acceptable given that even today it isn’t uncommon for 14 and 15 year olds to go out with fellas who are 18, 19 and 20.
Furthermore, being carefully selected they are gullible enough to believe that the likes of Clifford, Roache and DLT only indulged themselves over these 20 year timelines and then thought; “fuck this for a lark, I’ll jack it in”.
Moreover, they are also silly enough to believe that these household named, has beens all limited themselves to a half dozen or so victims each – one every three years or so?
Never the less, as far as I’m concerned that is a totally nonsensical premise.
Yet, give or take a year or two and one or two fewer charges here and there and that is more or less the story.
And even then, those few who have also been accused of offences committed in the nineties or noughties, in turn appear to have less allegations thrown at them from the mid 1960′s – 1980′s… A sort of balancing out exercise if you like.
Except in the case of Stuart Hall of course.
Rofl Harris for instance is up in court in April on four counts of producing indecent child images dating back to 2012.
However, whilst he is also up on nine counts of indecent assault dating back to the 1980s, the allegations are made by only two girls, one aged 14 and the other aged 16… Sixteen years old is of course over the age of consent.
So, we are expected to believe that Rofl, in a moment of madness, brought on no doubt by his well documented bouts of depression, got ‘touchy, feely’ with 2 young ladies, one of whom was above the legal age – but subsequently saw the error of his ways until a quarter of a century later, when no doubt in another bout of depression downloaded child porn on FOUR occasions.
Now, I wonder how many of the nine charges of indecent assault – note, not SEXUAL assault – relate to the 16 year old?
My Prediction
Rofl will definitely get a not guilty on the 14 year olds allegations and in all probability also get a not guilty on the 16 year olds allegations.
He will however get a guilty on the four child porn allegations, in fact he may even change his plea to guilty on those before the trial begins.
So, if he gets a guilty on the child porn and the 16 year old he will get 4 months in jail,maximum. If he only gets found guilty of the child porn he will get a fine, put on the sex offenders register and maybe ordered to undergo some counselling.
Yet I knew before Harris was even questioned by the Bizzy’s in November 2012 that he was a dirty nonce cunt.
But anyway, getting back to those witnesses who are a bit crap.
You see, it appears to be the case that the CPS have opted to go to trial on allegations involving vulnerable victims who are most likely to crumble under cross examination or who have slightly shaky cases.
We saw it in the Cock A Roache trial and the Dave Lee Travis Perkins trial and we are now seeing it again in the Clifford the dog trial.
For instance, the bird who is giving evidence against Max Grossout at the moment is alleging that Clifford tried to rape her in 1966 when she was 14 years old.
You will note that not only is she the youngest of the seven alleged victims, the allegation is also the most dated, which in turn puts the Cunt Clifford at his youngest.
The implication being, that as Clifford got older so did his alleged victims and as such he isn’t really a paedophile.
The following is what the now 62 year old alleged victim told the court:
She told the jury she used to go with friends to the Wimpy bar, where Clifford would sit on his own drinking coffee. Another witness described Clifford, then in his early twenties, as an  ‘oddball’ who ‘tried to hang out’ with teenagers in the Wimpy
Fair do’s although there are 14 year olds around here who constantly hang around with 19 and 20 year olds, and when I was at school, none of the pretty 15 year old girls would be seen dead going out with a fella any younger than 17.
But lets go along with what was said about Clifford being an oddball… For now at least.
She then goes onto say:
On this occasion, the alleged victim said she went in alone but her friends were not there and Clifford offered her a lift home.
The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said she refused because she only lived ‘round the corner’, but he said he had something to show her.
Now, of course things were different back in the 1960′s but fuck me the youngsters were not retarded.
In fact they were a lot smarter than the sedated kids of today are – albeit not quite as clued up on sex or quick to drop their knickers.
Therefore, when an older, oddball type fella whom by her own admittance she wouldn’t normally give the time of day to says that he has something to fucking show her – after already allegedly refusing a lift home – she must have had half an inkling of exactly what “something to show you” meant.
But lets go along with what she says about Clifford wanting to show her something despite her apparent mental age of 6… For now at least.
She then continues:
He was insistent, she said, adding: ‘I gave in. I was just a silly girl and I said yes.’ But instead of taking her home, he drove in ‘totally the wrong direction’, parked in a cul-de-sac under a railway bridge and took out a book of photographs of famous people, she said.
So why did she get in the car… Why didn’t she go to the car and do what other girls would do I.E say to him “If you want to show me something show me out here”?
Don’t forget that she thought of him as an oddball.
The woman, who for some very strange “legal” reason cannot be named then described what happened next:
He showed her pictures of  himself with Sixties bands such as The Beatles and possibly the Rolling Stones, she said. ‘He said, “Who do you want to meet?” I said I did not want to meet anyone, I just wanted to go home.’
He then asked her if there was one particular band she would like to meet and she named The Walker Brothers. She added: ‘He said, “I can arrange that” and he said, “This is what you have got to do” and he put my seat back.
‘When my seat was almost horizontal he lunged at me and put his body on mine and he was touching me all over.’
She said he touched her breasts while she was ‘on autopilot’.
She said: ‘I thought at the time that I was going to get raped if I did not get out of the car, I was just thinking about escaping, about whether the car door was locked or not.
Okay, the mid sixties was well before my time but I am pretty sure that he would still have had to lean right across her to enable him to drop her seat back horizontally and that car doors at the time still opened from the inside – be they locked or not.
After all, there was no central locking back then so I’m sure she would have known if he had locked the door or not… Unless I am wrong about cars in the 60′s of course and technology had gone backwards in the car industry by the late 1970′s.
She said it was obvious that ‘it was a sexual thing’ that he wanted her to do’
No shit Shirleylock!

She said: ‘I did not know at that stage whether I was going to be raped or murdered.
‘If someone starts driving you the wrong way you know you are in trouble.’

Eventually, she managed to get free and ‘ran all the way home’, she said. She never told police or her ‘strict’ parents, but says she did tell friends.
That begs the question, how the fuck did she escape?
Answer: He must have let her go.
So straight away this would register in the minds of the jury as being a case of a young fella with raging hormones, getting the wrong end of the stick with a girl a bit younger than himself, who was sending him mixed messages – but there was no harm done because he didn’t even manage to get her tits out – “and lets face it, it was a long time ago”.
Get the picture?
And then the exact same thing happened during cross examination, that happened in the Ken Barlow trial – which as a direct result of, ended up with Barlow getting a not guilty verdict.
She admitted the year of the incident might have been 1967, but denied that ‘none of this ever happened’ and that Clifford ‘did not have a car’ in 1966. She could not recall details of the car.
Game over and since she may well have been 16 in 1967, she wasn’t even under age.
Now as I say; she probably isn’t making it up but even going on the OFFICIAL number of allegations made to defectives from Operation Yewtree, you have to question whether or not she – along with the Barlow and DLT witnesses  – was the best that the police could muster in order to have half a chance of securing a conviction?
After all, according to Police Commander Peter Swindler in December 2013, there had been a total of 589 alleged victims who had come forward in the inquiry, of whom 450 of them alleged that they had been sexually abused by Jimmy Savile.
So, by my calculation that leaves another 139 potential victims to chose from, yet so far we have had no more than 20 testify… Don’t forget Barlow wasn’t tried under Yewtree.
And like I say, even then the figures are open for debate.
For instance, The Independent reported on Wednesday, the 12th of December, 2012 that:
Police yesterday revealed that more than 500 people have now come forward as victims of the late DJ and television presenter, who died in October last year at the age of 84. Source
Therefore, if Swindler’s figures are to be believed, then the cunt has lost 50 victims in a year.
As for Cliffords crime taking place between 1966/7 and 1984, where after he quit his ‘minor groping’ tendencies – do me a fucking favour.
I mean, it wasn’t so long ago that Bill Maloney confronted Clifford on camera with allegations of Max Out, Simon Cowell and Jonathan King being part of a paedophile ring supplying 13 year olds to punters at Peter Stringfellows Clubs.
Moreover Clifford was covertly filmed bragging that he held evidence of famous people abusing children. Therefore is he not withholding evidence, making him an accessory after the fact?
Course, once Clifford gets his not guilty, Stuart Hall will have to have another couple of years added on to his ever lengthening sentence… He will be suicided soon… Or he will have accidentally died of old age, mark my words.
Now, just why the fuck we are putting up with this shit is beyond me.
I mean, the cunts appear to have forgotten about Gary fucking Glitter altogether:
You see, Glitter Bollocks was arrested and questioned by police in London on the 28th of October 2012. He was in fact the first of the Yewtree has beens to be pulled in.
He was then released on police bail until the middle of December, where he was subsequently re-bailed until February 2013.
And there – although I haven’t searched overly hard –  the story ends… Just sayin’.

‘I thought Clifford was going to rape me’: Publicist attacked girl of 14 after offering her a lift, court told

  • Clifford allegedly met the girl in a branch of Wimpy in south London in 1966
  • He ‘offered a lift but drove in the wrong direction and parked in a field’
  • PR guru then told the teenager she could meet the Walker Brothers and lunged at her, Southwark Crown Court hears
  • Alleged victim says Clifford was an ‘oddball’ for trying to hang out with her
  • 70-year-old denies 11 charges of indecent assault against seven women

By SAM GREENHILL
PUBLISHED: 13:56, 10 March 2014 | UPDATED: 23:59, 10 March 2014

On trial: Max Clifford arriving this morning at Southwark Crown Court to hear evidence from a woman who claims he assaulted her in 1966On trial: Max Clifford arriving this morning at Southwark Crown Court to hear evidence from a woman who claims he assaulted her in 1966

A schoolgirl feared she would be raped or murdered when Max  Clifford drove her down an alley and lunged at her, a court heard yesterday.
The 14-year-old was ‘frozen in fear’ and in a ‘blind panic’ as he allegedly groped at her school uniform and breasts.
The celebrity publicist was said to have approached the girl in a Wimpy fast-food bar and lured her into his car, telling her ‘there is something I would like you to see’ that she would ‘really like’.
The PR guru allegedly said she could meet her idols, US pop trio The Walker Brothers. But then he told her ‘this is what you’ve got to do’ as he threw himself on top of her, London’s Southwark Crown Court was told.
The woman, now a 62-year-old mother of two and the first  witness in Clifford’s trial, said she was ‘frozen in fear’ in the alleged 1966 indecent assault in Morden, South London.
He denies 11 counts of indecently assaulting seven women aged 14 to 19 between 1966 and 1984.
She told the jury she used to go with friends to the Wimpy bar, where Clifford would sit on his own drinking coffee. Another witness described Clifford, then in his early twenties, as an  ‘oddball’ who ‘tried to hang out’ with teenagers in the Wimpy.
On this occasion, the alleged victim said she went in alone but her friends were not there and Clifford offered her a lift home.
The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said she refused because she only lived ‘round the corner’, but he said he had something to show her.
He was insistent, she said, adding: ‘I gave in. I was just a silly girl and I said yes.’ But instead of taking her home, he drove in ‘totally the wrong direction’, parked in a cul-de-sac under a railway bridge and took out a book of photographs of famous people, she said.

She added: ‘He got a book out and he was saying, “Look, there is me with all the stars”.’

Described as an 'oddball': Clifford as a young manDescribed as an ‘oddball’: Clifford as a young man

Claims: Clifford allegedly offered to give a 14-year-old girl a ride home then groped herClaims: Clifford allegedly offered to give a 14-year-old girl a ride home then groped her

Hearing: The PR guru insists he is innocent of all the indecent assault chargesHearing: The PR guru insists he is innocent of all the indecent assault charges
He showed her pictures of  himself with Sixties bands such as The Beatles and possibly the Rolling Stones, she said. ‘He said, “Who do you want to meet?” I said I did not want to meet anyone, I just wanted to go home.’
He then asked her if there was one particular band she would like to meet and she named The Walker Brothers. She added: ‘He said, “I can arrange that” and he said, “This is what you have got to do” and he put my seat back.
‘When my seat was almost horizontal he lunged at me and put his body on mine and he was touching me all over.’
She said he touched her breasts while she was ‘on autopilot’.
She said: ‘I thought at the time that I was going to get raped if I did not get out of the car, I was just thinking about escaping, about whether the car door was locked or not.’ She said it was obvious that ‘it was a sexual thing’ that he wanted her to do.

 

Stars: Clifford showed the girl a photograph of himself with the Walker Brothers, pictured, the court heardStars: Clifford showed the girl a photograph of himself with the Walker Brothers, pictured, the court heard

Showbiz: The witness said that Clifford had pictures of himself posing the BeatlesShowbiz: The witness said that Clifford had pictures of himself posing the Beatles

Glamour: Clifford allegedly had photographs of himself posing with the Rolling StonesGlamour: Clifford allegedly had photographs of himself posing with the Rolling Stones

Venue: Clifford is alleged to have met the victim at the Wimpy restaurant in Morden, picturedVenue: Clifford is alleged to have met the victim at the Wimpy restaurant in Morden, pictured
She said: ‘I did not know at that stage whether I was going to be raped or murdered.
‘If someone starts driving you the wrong way you know you are in trouble.’

Eventually, she managed to get free and ‘ran all the way home’, she said. She never told police or her ‘strict’ parents, but says she did tell friends.
Under cross examination by Richard Horwell, QC, she denied ‘jumping on the bandwagon’, and insisted her claims were ‘100 per cent true’.
She admitted the year of the incident might have been 1967, but denied that ‘none of this ever happened’ and that Clifford ‘did not have a car’ in 1966. She could not recall details of the car.
The court heard from four other witnesses, including her ex- husband, who said she had told them years ago about her ‘bad experience’ with Clifford.
Clifford, in a navy jacket, white shirt and striped tie with grey trousers, listened through a hearing loop from the dock.
The 70-year-old ‘kiss-and-tell’ agent, who has represented music mogul Simon Cowell and the late reality TV star Jade Goody, denies all charges in the trial, which is expected to last up to six weeks.

CHARGE SHEET: WHAT PR GURU CLIFFORD IS ACCUSED OF

WOMAN ONE: One indecent assault in January 1966
WOMAN TWO: One indecent assault in 1975
WOMAN THREE: One indecent assault between July 1977 and August 1978 and on three occasions outside that period
WOMAN FOUR: One indecent assault in 1978
WOMAN FIVE: One indecent assault in 1982
WOMAN SIX: One indecent assault between January 1982 and December 1984, and another outside that period
WOMAN SEVEN: One indecent assault between January 1983 and December 1984

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577440/Max-Clifford-molested-14-year-old-girl-car.html#ixzz2vfaZXSky
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28 Comments

  1. Mark Hobbs
    Mar 11, 2014 @ 22:45:26
    Bang on Chris as always
  2. Dogman
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 01:28:52
    I agree Chris, this has been set up to fail from the word go. Remember those artificial nodding dogs that you used to see in the back window of cars? That is what all the tv addicts and DM readers will look like when these tossers all get away with it because the girls were well up for it because of celeb worship. I saw something on tv earlier tonight about girls that go in for celebrity shagging, knowing that they will be binned in the morning. Must just be a coincidence….hmm….
  3. MrsIvyTrellis
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 01:35:42
    My advice to anyone, would be not so say anything to ‘Old Bill’ when questioned. The burden of proof has to be demonstrated by the Prosecution. This is particularly relevant in ‘Historical’ cases, which would have been covered by the Sexual Offences Act of 1956 and NOT the Sexual Offences Act of 2003. The definition of ‘Indecent Assault’ is quite subjective, and really depends upon what people would have considered at that time.
    • Bryn
      Mar 13, 2014 @ 02:03:19
      Should I be disturbed by this comment????

  4. AlanB
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 07:25:49
    It would be interesting to know what car he was driving because reclining seats weren’t fitted to your average car back in the sixties. Even my old P reg 1976 Vauxhall Viva had non reclining seats. The only adjustment was sliding the seat back or forwards.
  5. louise
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 07:31:32
    I remember the hippie culture back in the 60′s and rock glam in the 70′s-the girls who used to follow the the groups around then were known as Groupies- of course some of them were only about 13 or so looking older with make up mini skirts-hot pants etc.With birth control easily available fans and Groupies took advantage of this.Of course the so called celebs didn’t give a toss and used their celeb status to take advantage of their fans anyway they wanted-I cant see with this historical abuse how they change-once a paedo always a paedo-or a procurer of children for the mega rich-as long as the money keeps coming in they don’t give a shit who’s lives they destroy-Money is the root of all EVIL!!!
  6. Sharon Damnable
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 09:07:36
    hundreds coming forwards and the police choose the weakest accounts and witnesses, this just serves to discredit other witnesses and makes it more difficult to come forward, who needs to be rubbished in court, through the media and the nonce still gets off…..really frustrating, The evidence is after all pointing at sadistic state child abuse and the police just scratch the surface and muddy the waters making justice impossible.
    Bill Maloney’s accusations of Max Clifford supplying underage girls at Stringfellows hasn’t been addressed, and the “it’s all so long ago now…” line could hardly apply there.
    but yeah why are we putting up with this ?
  7. Jane
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 11:38:09
    That’s exactly what it’s all about, setting up the scene for when the even higher up nonces are eventually rolled out (because it must be getting seriously difficult keeping them protected when their names are everywhere & more paedo links with MP’s seem to emerge by the week) and then the public will already be thinking “here we go again, more compo seeking liars”.
    And there are definitely a few compo seeking liars in the mix, that I do know, as well as some proper nasty sorts who are seeking to make out of this in 1 way or another.
    But I do feel, from what I have personally witnessed over the last year, that there is a concerted effort by what appear to be teams of people busting a gut to try to discredit genuine survivors, mostly under the guise of being anti CSA campaigners/supporters and also a sudden increase of these ‘false memory’ hags trying to prove everyone liars, (& when I say hags, they do seem to be proper old hags too) – 1 I keep hearing is supposed to be an astute legal mind, but then I read it was nowt but a glorified Social Worker with powers. Apart from that it was championing a known abuser, so if it’s so legally astute, why did it get sucked in so easily by 1 of the biggest con artists in this sick little charade? Or was that all part of the con? The latter I think.
    All these people serve to discredit the genuine abuse survivors who are still waiting for justice decades on and being denied it by the same old paedophiles in power and the new breed of gatekeeper, currently Nonceron.
  8. mummifriedchi
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 14:17:14
    Thanks to Jane for the reminder :-)
    ‘What is ‘False Memory Syndrome’?
    There is no medically, or clinically, recognised diagnosis of ‘False Memory Syndrome’. The concept was invented in the USA by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF), a group of ‘accused parents’ – mainly fathers – whose adult daughters had confronted them about sexual abuse in childhood. Having created this fictional concept of ‘false memory’ to defend themselves against these allegations, this group then went on to sell it to the media. The concept was imported to Britain from the US by Roger Scotford. Scotford set up the UK based False Memory Syndrome Society, in response to being accused independently by two of his adult daughters of sexually abusing them. The British group also gained enormous coverage and support in the media.
    The media’s role has been crucial in enabling the FMSF, and its fellow organisations in other countries, to promote this invented ‘syndrome’ and to introduce it into public debate. For the media, the ‘syndrome’ provided a new spin on sexual abuse and journalists have played a critical part in giving credence to this pseudo medical/ psychological term, as with the term ‘road rage’.
    An American study found that between 1992 and 1994, following the founding of the FMSF, 85% of articles on child sexual abuse in leading magazines focused on false memories and false accusations. This contrasts with only 7% of articles during 1982-4.
    Alongside the invention of ‘FMS’, those who promote it have also introduced the concepts of ‘recovered memory therapy’ and the ‘recovered memory movement’ neither of which exist. The origins of both can be found in Making Monsters (Richard Ofshe and Ethan Watters, 1995).
    This text links disparate researchers, therapists and writers into spurious unity of purpose and perspective, despite the fact that they are not part of any organisation and express a diversity of views. The only thing that is common is that they all believe it is possible to forget traumatic experiences.
    Who coined the term ‘False Memory Syndrome’?
    Ralph Underwager, one of the founders of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, is credited with having coined the term. In 1993, he gave an interview with the Dutch paedophile magazine, Paedika, in which he was reported as saying that paedophilia could be a responsible choice and that having sex with children could be seen as ‘part of God’s will’. The other co-founders of the FMSF were Pamela and Peter Freyd, whose adult daughter made accusations of childhood sexual abuse. The American media gave them almost unquestioning support until their daughter, psychology Professor Jennifer Freyd, felt obliged to speak out publicly, to stop the damage that she felt her parents and their organisation were doing to abuse survivors.
    Other early promoters of false memory syndrome in the US were Paul and Shirley Erberle. In the 1970s, when child pornography laws were less rigid, they edited a magazine called Finger in which there were explicit illustrations of children involved in sexual acts with adults, with features entitled ‘Sexpot at Five’, ‘My First Rape, She Was Only Thirteen’ and ‘Toilet Training’. Another key figure is Felicity Goodyear-Smith, author of First Do No Harm (1993). Felicity Goodyear-Smith admits to a personal as well as professional involvement in the issue. Her husband and parents-in-law were imprisoned for sexual abuse offences, having been members of the New Zealand community, CentrePoint, that encouraged sexual intimacy amongst its members, including the children. Although the adults involved were prosecuted for these acts, including public sex with children, Goodyear-Smith claims that this was simply ‘childhood sexual experimentation’ and quotes studies that claim to show that adult-child sex can be harmless.
    Is there any evidence that amnesia occurs as a result of trauma?
    Research has demonstrated that a significant proportion of adults with documented evidence of being sexually abused in childhood ‘forget’ or block out the abuse – even when they have been treated in hospital as a result of it, or have been through a successful prosecution of the perpetrator in court. The clinical term for this kind of ‘forgetting’ is ‘dissociation’ – which is, unlike ‘false memory syndrome’, a medically recognised diagnosis. Dissociation occurs after trauma, as a result of the brain’s mechanisms for storing overwhelming emotional and physiological experience. Dissociation as a response to trauma has been found in soldiers who have survived combat and accident victims who have ‘blocked out’ the event.
    Scheflin and Brown (1996) conducted a meta-analysis of scientific literature on amnesia or repressed memory of child sexual abuse. They found that amnesia as a result of child sexual abuse is a robust finding across studies using very different samples and measures of assessment. Linda Williams (1995) followed up 129 women who, 17 years earlier as children, had been admitted into a hospital emergency room for sexual assault. As adults, 38% did not recall the abuse. The 62% who did recall the abuse did so with accounts that were ‘remarkably consistent with the evidence’ from the hospital. The accounts of the women who had always remembered were no more or less consistent than those of the women who had ‘forgotten’ and then recovered the memories. Both types of remembering were found to be reliable.
    Feldman-Summers and Pope (1994) surveyed 500 psychologists. 25% of women and 6% of men reported an experience of sexual abuse in childhood. 40% had ‘forgotten’ some or all of the experience, and for only a quarter of this group was therapy the only factor in remembering. Forgetting was more common where abuse began in early childhood, took place over a longer period; was perpetrated by a relative and involved more forms of violation. Half of those reporting abuse had found corroboration from other relatives; court or medical records; journals and diaries or a confession by the abuser.
    Two further studies have asked if survivors had forgotten for any length of time: in Briere and Conte’s (1993) sample of 450 adult survivors over half (59%) said that they had ‘forgotten’ for a considerable period of time; in Herman and Schatzow’s (1987) smaller sample of women almost two-thirds (63%) also said that they had ‘forgotten’ for some time. Only 6% of the latter group could find no corroboration of their abuse.
    In Children Who Don’t Speak Out Radda Barnen (Swedish Save the Children) reports on a study of children who were identified through seizures of child pornography. None of them had told anyone about their abuse. The researchers compared the children’s statements, the contents of the seized pornography and the statements of the abusers. All of the children resisted remembering the abuse. They spoke only about incidents which were recorded on the pornography when prompted and some even denied that the recorded abuse had happened. The abusers were as, if not more, reticent in their statements, admitting only to what there was forensic evidence about.
    What about therapists who have been found guilty of planting ‘false memories’?
    There has been no malpractice suit in which a case against a practitioner on this issue has been upheld. A much more significant problem is the number of therapists who have sexual relationships with vulnerable clients who are seeking help following sexual assault. A number of malpractice suits have been upheld involving this form of abuse.
    Can FMS be a result of hypnotherapy?
    None of the named cases publicised by the UK FMSS have involved adults recovering memories through hypnotherapy. An examination of FMSS files by an independent organisation found that adults who FMSS claimed have had ‘false memories’ belonged to one of the following categories;
    they had always believed that they were sexually abused;
    they began to remember in adulthood as a result of some external trigger in their lives, outside the context of therapy. In one famous case an adult (Jennifer Freyd) did some short-term work with a clinical psychologist, and another (Scotford’s daughter) with a homeopath. Neither had hypnotherapy or so-called ‘regression’ therapy at any point.
    Given all of this evidence the basic question must be why so many people are more comfortable believing in false memories than the accounts of adults and children.’
    Taken from the Child and Woman Abuse Studies Unit based at London Metropolitan University.
    Peace to
  9. mummifriedchi
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 14:18:52
    you all
  10. Decency
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 16:25:25
    It is Sickening and Depraved any Sexual Abuse of Children
    I Find also Sickening the Assaults upon the Innocence of Children such as the
    Sale of InDecent Clothes to Children .
    That should be Banned
    Decent Education Decent Clothes Decent Morals Decent Society an Improvement
    upon a Paedophile State of Evil
  11. louise
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 17:03:19
    I was adopted when I was just under 5years of age in 1959 .I’ve only got vague memories of life in the Nursery (Sunnyside Nursery near Bath Somerset) All I remember are flashbacks of a friend called Sandra the dining room a horrible Matron and a mechanical elephant,I know after I was adopted (Couldn’t have wished for a more loving family)-when the Nursery sent this Woman to check on me all I used to do was scream and beg my new Mum and Dad not to let her take me back to this awful place-I’d be interested to know if anyone may have also had experience of this Nursery or knew anyone who may have lived there at all-and more importantly remember more about this place than what I do.It was shut down many years ago-
    • Dogman
      Mar 12, 2014 @ 20:35:12
      Hi Louise, I found this
      http ://www.hiddenlives.org.uk/homes/BOX01.html (remove the space after http)

  12. Annie
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 17:33:02
    I saw a you tube link (was on David Ickes forum) with Cifford speaking on it quite a few months ago about an MP can’t find it now..unless I am mistaken. It appeared he didn’t know he was being filmed. Was to do with fourteen year olds. Think the police were tipped off about it too…..
    • Glen C
      Mar 12, 2014 @ 20:58:09
      Hi Annie…..the MP and Ex Minister mentioned in the clip you saw was Alan Clark (now deceased) and in the clip Clifford mentions how he (Clark) had sex with both the Mother and Daughter. There was nothing new in the clip, save for Clifford revealing the girls age, because Mummy and Daughter also sold their ‘story’ to a rag (classy broads!)…….though I’m not sure which particular ‘rag’ it was!
      GC.

  13. louise
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 18:15:49
    Sunnyside Nursery Box Wiltshire-found a synopsis of the Nursery- opened in 1930 closed 1971-also stated a menagerie of pets-which I’ve no recollection of these at all-be grateful of anyone with any info of this place
    • Jane
      Mar 12, 2014 @ 20:44:22
      Louise,
      I did find a few things on Sunnyside, this article is not very nice reading though .liveleak.com/view?i=724_1351962785
      There is also some details of Sunnyside here:-
      .hiddenlives.org.uk/homes/BOX01.html
      There is also a Facebook page here, which hopefully you may be able to get some further info from and perhaps find others who were at Sunnyside?
      .facebook.com/pages/Hidden-Lives-Revealed/118877011472766?ref=hl#!/pages/Hidden-Lives-Revealed/118877011472766

  14. helena andrews
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 20:40:16
    And here we have the elite (via the UN) neatly moving in for the wholesale kidnapping of children to make them freely available to these paedos without the bothersome court cases that sometimes ensue http ://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_397_35023.php
  15. louise
    Mar 12, 2014 @ 21:50:58
    thankyou janexx

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