Maddie Police officers shocking reports on TV (With Translation)

Maddie Police officers shocking reports on TV (With Translation)

This is the full transcription
Of last night’s interview with Goncalo Amaral on Tv
Anchor –
After CMTV screened a reconstitution about the disappearance of
Madeleine McCann, there were many reactions, that multiplied themselves,
mainly because of the various contradictions in the witnesses’

Voiceover –
The case dates back to the 3rd of May of 2007. Six years later, several
inconsistencies and contradictions are counted, which contribute to the
mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine. After the screening
of CMTV’s reconstruction relating to the little girl’s disappearance,
there were many reactions that multiplied themselves, mainly about the
various contradictions that were raised.
One of the
inconsistencies has to do with the time of the visit that was done by a
friend of the McCann couple. David Payne would have met Gerry at 6.30
p.m., and only afterwards went to see Kate. Until today, it is not known
how long the visit took: According to Gerry, Payne was at the location
for over half an hour; according to Kate, the visit lasted little over
30 seconds.
Amaral – This is a figure that, I use to say, that is enigmatic, and who
was not well investigated. Not a lot is known about this person.
Voiceover – A
mysterious man with a profile that is linked to indications of
inadequate behaviours towards children. He even used to bathe the
daughters of the friends that he spent holidays with.
Gonçalo Amaral and Francisco Moita Flores, former Judiciary Police
inspectors, state that this is one of the gaps in the process.
Moita Flores
– It is strange, in a group of friends, that one friend bathes the
other friends’ children. And that all of this is natural, and nobody
questions this from the investigation’s point of view.
Amaral – What weight did it have in the disappearance, if it had any
weight at all, and what was going on there with that individual. One is
this one, the 30 minutes or the 30 seconds, what he went there to do.
The other one is the fact that he always cared to bathe the other
people’s daughters.
Voiceover –
There is even a concrete episode, which took place on the island of
Mallorca, in 2005. David Payne, in the company of Gerry McCann, would
have been seen making obscene gestures, while referring to Maddie.
Amaral – Then there is the other moment, that of the obscene gestures he
made, in Spain, in Mallorca, where there is a denunciation in May 2007,
ten days after the disappearance, by another doctor, who was also on
holidays, who knows him and tells the English police about said obscene
gestures in the presence of the father.
Voiceover – For Eduardo Dâmaso, joint editor at Correio da Manhã, these indications should have been explored.
Dâmaso – All of those indications are much stronger to explore, that
enigma that is installed within that group, than the thesis of the
abductor. The feeling that I have is –
Voiceover –
Some statements by Gerry McCann are also contradictory. To the police,
Maddie’s father told different versions about the way that he entered
the Ocean Club apartment at 9 p.m. In a first statement, Gerry said he
had entered through the front door; later, he changed the statement and
said he had entered through the back window. Despite everything, the key
was inside the apartment.
For the
former Judiciary Police inspector Carlos Anjos, the change in the
depositions is an attempt by Gerry to adjust to the facts.
Carlos Anjos
– I think he has no certainty whatsoever. That is the big problem. And
hence the difficulty, the contradictions they had, all of the
contradictions they had, which were verbalised when they gave
statements, even the changing of depositions… We at the police use to
say that when the depositions start to be changed, it’s an attempt by
the witness to adjust the deposition to the fact.
Voiceover –
Another inconsistency has to do with the visit of another friend of the
couple to the Ocean Club apartment. Matthew Oldfield entered the room,
looked to where Maddie and her siblings were. Later on, he said he
wasn’t sure whether or not the little girl was in the apartment.
Dâmaso – We return to another aspect which, from my point of view,
proves that all the indications that exist, which point towards an
enigma that is installed within that group, is much stronger than what
exists about the possibility of an abduction.
Voiceover –
Another question that remains unanswered is the place where Gerry was at
10 p.m. Two Tapas Bar employees said that Gerry was not at the
restaurant. According to Gonçalo Amaral, there are only three moments
that the authorities are able to locate in time. This is not one of
Amaral – As far as accurate times are concerned, there are only three:
The time at which they pick up Maddie from the crèche, which is at 5.30
p.m., the time of the payment at the restaurant by the Irish family,
which is at 9.22 or 9.27 p.m., and the time of the phone call to GNR,
which is at 10.47 p.m. From there on, nothing is certain.
Voiceover –
Contributing to the mystery of Gerry’s location at 10 p.m., a statement
from a family of Irish tourists, four adults and five children, appears.
According to the Smiths, that evening, the family left Kelly’s Bar and
headed home at around 10 p.m. Five minutes later, Kate raises the alarm
to the disappearance. At the same time, the family crosses ways with a
man that carried a blonde child, aged approximately four, wearing a pink
Smith, one of the group’s members, gives the police a detailed
description. Four months later, already in the United Kingdom, the Smith
family sees images of Gerry McCann carrying one of his children. When
he sees the image on television, Martin remembers the same man that he
had seen in Praia da, Luz.
The denunciation was made to the Judiciary
Police and the PJ decides to bring him to Portugal. At that time,
Gonçalo Amaral, the coordinator, is removed from the investigation, and
the new coordinator, Paulo Rebelo, considers that the trip of the
Irishman to Portugal is useless.
Six years later, Gonçalo Amaral remains certain that it is important to listen to the witnesses’ statement.
Amaral – It makes all kind of sense to even bring him, and the family,
it’s 3 or 4 people more, to Portugal, even to understand how long they
took after leaving the Dolphins restaurant, how long they remained in
Kelly’s bar, because there is no payment, the payment was not made with a
card, we found out the exact time of the payment, not the exit from the
restaurant, through the payment, because the payment was made with a
bank card. At the bar, it was made in cash, so we don’t know. We don’t
know how long they took having their drinks. We don’t know at what time
the sighting takes place. It would have been around ten, a bit earlier, a
bit later, at around that time, we don’t know exactly at what time it
Voiceover –
For the former Judiciary Police inspector, the question of the e-fit
that appeared at the time ended up taking importance away from the
Amaral – This family, which is not only one person, says that the person
that they saw that night is a certain person. They say it is. Then they
say it’s 80%. And then the e-fit – someone appears that looks like a
certain person. While they never said it was a person that looked like
Gerald McCann. The e-fit has that effect, the effect of evaluating the
statement itself.
Voiceover –
These are contradictions and inconsistencies that remain unanswered to
this day. And adding to all of these questions, a new issue appears That
of the crime of exposure or abandonment [child endangerment], that
would have been committed by Kate and Gerry McCann when they left Maddie
alone during the night.
Moita Flores
– You can be absolutely certain that if this couple was Portuguese, the
Public Ministry would have immediately triggered the child protection
measures against them. Have no doubts about that. Because in our
culture, this is not reasonable nor explainable. And I don’t know if I
can even be explained under the light of the Anglo-Saxon culture.
Rui Pereira –
At the beginning, the McCanns were obviously suspected of a crime of
exposure of abandonment. Obviously. It is evident that it was not easy
to make them arguidos right away. Why? Because investigators are also
human. And the most immediate sentiment that was experienced was that of
a certain compassion towards the parents.
Moita Flores
– I understand, with some effort, but I understand that it’s a cultural
trait that is different from ours, to leave children far away from the
place where we are, and to enjoy ourselves until midnight, from 8.30, 9
p.m. until midnight. I find this hard to believe, for our Latin culture,
in which the children are very directly controlled, I find this very
Voiceover – For Carlos Anjos, all the participants in the case tried to find a way not to be implicated in this crime.
Carlos Anjos
– They all knew that they were at stake because of exposure and
abandonment, and all of them somehow tried to find a story that would
not harm them much, that would not mistreat them much in that situation.
Voiceover –
These are reactions that are raised after the exhibition of CMTV’s
reconstruction about the disappearance of Maddie. A job that was never
done by the Portuguese police.
Amaral – The reconstruction was never done because one awaited the best
moment. At the time when everything happened, one thought about the
reconstruction, which is normal in such a situation. There were many
journalists in Praia da, Luz, it was not convenient to do it at that
time, due to the apparatus and the spectacle that would be given, it was
almost as someone said, necessary to close the airspace to make a
Moita Flores
– This was decisive. And I don’t know how the police could do it, I
understand the difficulties of this media circus that was built there,
but it would have been necessary and decisive. Because as can be seen
from this reconstruction, and one understands that it follows the
statements from the participants in the process, one realises that it is
full of contradictions.
Voiceover –
For Francisco Moita Flores, the reconstitution by CMTV is more accurate
than the one that was shown by the English Crimewatch programme.
Moita Flores
– What CMTV just did, I saw the reconstitution that was made by
Crimewatch and this one, and one understands that it is like day and
night, in terms of accuracy.
Gonçalo Amaral – One has more red wine and the other one shows empty glasses.
Moita Flores
– This one has the wine, it has the party, it has the disposition of
the people, it has the relationship with the physical space, which is
Voiceover –
These are reactions that appear after the exhibition of the
reconstitution of the moments before and after the disappearance of
Madeleine, a case that still prompts much discussion.
Carlos Anjos
– This is the most verified case that I can recall in the history of
criminal investigation. Countless CDs were made, they were distributed
to all of the newspapers, to all of the detective agencies, to all of
the policemen. And one thing is objective at this moment in time, just
like Gonçalo said: Today we are exactly the same as when the case was
closed. This is to say that we are, today, just like we were in 2007.
The entire investigative community, that read the process from beginning
to end, possibly all of us read it already, there was nobody who said –
some have said that this or that could be done, but those are
diligences that could hardly have any other result than the one that is
there [in the case files].
Voiceover – The doubts remain. The uncertainties about what really happened to Madeleine McCann remain.

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