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Operation Ore was a British police operation that commenced in 1999 following information received from US law enforcement, which was intended to prosecute thousands of users of a website reportedly featuring child pornography. It was the United Kingdom’s biggest ever computer crime investigation,[1] leading to 7,250 suspects identified, 4,283 homes searched, 3,744 arrests, 1,848 charged, 1,451 convictions, 493 cautioned and 140 children removed from suspected dangerous situations[2] and an estimated 33[3] suicides.[4][5] While Operation Ore did identify and prosecute a number of sex offenders, the validity of the police procedures was later questioned, as errors in the investigations were claimed by some to have resulted in a large number of false arrests.[3]

Operation Ore followed the similar crackdown in the United States, called Operation Avalanche, though in the US only 100 people were charged from the 35,000 US access records available.[6]

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Prime Mininsters Questions today: Labour MP Tom Watson wants an investigation into a powerful paedophile ring in Parliament and people who worked in the past at Downing Street. Don’t forget, it was politicians who shelved “Operation Ore” when it was found politicians, police, and judges were on the list of those downloading child “porn”.

Watson talks of a powerful paedophile ring with links to Parliament and Number 10.

http://operationorethegambleconnecti…watch-nwn.html

Its been alleged that among those caught up in Operation Ore were:

Gerald Kaufman, Gordon Brown, Alan Milburn, John Prescott, Peter Mandelson and Paul Mcartney – laughbly citing `National Security’ Tony Blair slapping a D-Notice on the press and Panorama, forcing Panorama to drop a programme allegedly linking some or all of the above names with Operation Ore, and the press from publishing any details of the investigation.

Police also discovered links between British Labour government paedophile suspects and the trafficking of children for purposes of prostitution from Belgium and Portugal (including young boys from the Casa Pia orphanage in Portugal).

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Don’t forget, it was politicians who shelved “Operation Ore” when it was found politicians, police, and judges were on the list of those downloading child “porn”.
It’s like playing ‘follow the money’ – except in this case it’s follow the ‘investigation saboteurs’!

It’s just SO obvious the crowd of people who are involved.

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Operation Ore was a British police operation that commenced in 1999 following information received from US law enforcement, which was intended to prosecute thousands of users of a website reportedly featuring child pornography. It was the United Kingdom’s biggest ever computer crime investigation,[1] leading to 7,250 suspects identified, 4,283 homes searched, 3,744 arrests, 1,848 charged, 1,451 convictions, 493 cautioned and 140 children removed from suspected dangerous situations[2] and an estimated 33[3] suicides.[4][5] While Operation Ore did identify and prosecute a number of sex offenders, the validity of the police procedures was later questioned, as errors in the investigations were claimed by some to have resulted in a large number of false arrests.[3]

Operation Ore followed the similar crackdown in the United States, called Operation Avalanche, though in the US only 100 people were charged from the 35,000 US access records available.[6]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20237564

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Originally from The Sunday Times, – Sunday, January 26, 2003
Authors: Adam Nathan and David Leppard

SOME of the City’s leading businessmen are named on a confidential list compiled in an international police inquiry into internet child pornography.

The list of 7,272 British names has been obtained by The Sunday Times. It includes at least 20 senior executives in pharmaceuticals, stockbroking, manufacturing and retailing, at least seven of whom are thought to be multimillionaires.

They are among those caught by the American authorities using their credit cards to pay for graphic pictures of children as young as six being abused. The 1,000-page list, which was passed to British police last summer, details the names, addresses and the number of subscriptions paid to child porn websites.

Disclosure of the names to The Sunday Times is likely to prompt a major leak inquiry within the British police and other organisations in the UK supplied with the list.

It is also likely to renew concerns over the policing of the internet and the slow pace of the inquiry which has seen fewer than a third of those listed arrested.

Names on the list include:

The former chairman of one of the City’s biggest firms of stockbrokers.

A senior director of a well known drinks company. Contacted at home last week, he hung up when asked why his name was on the list.

A millionaire business colleague of one of Britain’s best-known entrepreneurs.

A director of one of the country’s biggest construction companies.

A prominent City PR man who acts as an intermediary between boardrooms, the media and the government. He said last week that police had not visited his home.

A former director of one of the world’s biggest pharmaceuticals companies.

A senior partner at a multinational accountancy firm.

A top executive at a large manufacturing company.

The Sunday Times has decided not to identify the businessmen because the police have still not interviewed them or made arrests in most cases.

Others on the list include a senior teacher at an exclusive girls’ public school, services personnel from at least five military bases, GPs, university academics and civil servants. Many are married and respected members of their local communities.

The identities of suspects had been a closely guarded secret. Fewer than 50 of the 2,000 arrested have so far been named in the British inquiry – Operation Ore. The list was generated after an inquiry by the US Postal Inspection Service in 1999 into a pay-per-view child porn website in Texas.

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I posted this on Operation Ore back in November:

No doubt, many paedophiles were swept up in the net, but the presumption of guilt was made by checking credit card details of subscribers to child porn sites.

The (pretty obvious) error was the assumption that the credit cards hadn’t been cloned, stolen, or otherwise compromised.

It took Jim Bates, then an expert witness and computer forensics expert, to blow the whole thing apart when he showed that a simple look at the database showed instances where the same credit card was being used in several countries at the same time.

His reward was to be destroyed by the police, attacking his credibility and was later accused of being a paedophile himself. The case was eventually thrown out, but not before Bates’ reputation was wrecked.

The background to Operation Ore is one interesting read if you want to see crass incompetence and arse covering.

A DA-notice was allegedly applied to the operation by Blair. If true, I was never certain if it was to hide the monumental f*ck up, or to hide the senior names it likely threw up…. Probably both.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p…h-justice.html

I believe that ORE identified the guilty, but it was compromised because the innocent were also included. I can only guess that further research was considered a ‘bad’ idea, and many people were probably very relieved when it was dropped.

In the light of Tom Watson’s comment today, it might be interesting to query with those ‘officials’ whether ORE was ever subject to either a ‘D’ or ‘DA’ notice?

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‘What I did was insane’: The Who’s Pete Townshend breaks nine year silence on child pornography scandal

Townshend was one of 3,744 people arrested in UK as part of Operation Ore, a nationwide police crackdown on internet perverts
He was cautioned and put on sex offenders’ register for five years
Reveals details about scandal, being abused himself and The Who in new memoir Who I Am
Also claims Mick Jagger is ‘very well-endowed’

By Neil Sears

PUBLISHED: 09:06 GMT, 28 September 2012 | UPDATED: 23:07 GMT, 28 September 2012


Despair: Townshend said he considered suicide in his revealing new autobiography

Despair: Townshend said he considered suicide in his revealing new autobiography

He insisted at the time that he had simply been conducting ‘research’ when he paid £7 with his credit card in 1999 to access a website bearing the message ‘click here for child porn’.

Despite his denials of harbouring depraved desires, he accepted a police caution, and was duly placed on the sex offenders’ register for five years.

His image has never fully recovered, although he did play at the Olympics closing ceremony this summer, along with The Who’s only other surviving original band member, lead singer Roger Daltrey.

He has now broken his silence on the issue, as he promotes his new autobiography, Who I Am.

Speaking to The Times, Townshend said that he had struggled to express himself in the book because his actions seemed ‘insane’, even to him.

He said that when the police raided his home in 2003 after combing through the records of a US company hosting child porn sites, his main concern was just that they would read his diaries, featuring dilemmas about which yacht or flash car to splash out on, and think he was ‘a self-obsessed prat’.

Instead, he found himself condemned as a paedophile around the world.
Embroiled: Mr Townshend was one of 3,744 people arrested in the UK as part of Operation Ore, a nationwide police crackdown on internet perverts, but was later cautioned for the incident

Embroiled: Mr Townshend was one of 3,744 people arrested in the UK as part of Operation Ore, a nationwide police crackdown on internet perverts, but was later cautioned for the incident

Who they were: One of British pop’s finest back in 1964, from left to right: Roger Daltrey, Pete Townsend, Keith Moon and John Entwistle

Who they were: One of British pop’s finest back in 1964, from left to right: Roger Daltrey, Pete Townsend, Keith Moon and John Entwistle
Still rocking: The Who performed a string of their hits at the London 2012 Olympic Games closing ceremony in August. Mr Townshend’s memoir is out next week

Still rocking: The Who performed a string of their hits at the London 2012 Olympic Games closing ceremony in August. Mr Townshend’s memoir is out next week


Speaking out: The Who’s Pete Townshend has admitted he was ‘insane’ to pay to access a child porn site ‘purely to see what was there’ in 2003

Speaking out: The Who’s Pete Townshend has admitted he was ‘insane’ to pay to access a child porn site ‘purely to see what was there’ in 2003

Asked why he chose not to go to court to declare his innocence, he said he was simply ‘exhausted’ at the time and had been given just half an hour by officers at Kingston police station to decide whether to accept the caution.

He said he and his lawyers were ‘surprised’ by the police’s decision because they had all believed he would be let off.

He added that he thought prosecution lawyers would ‘****ing rip me apart’ if he went to court.

In his autobiography, he describes how the media storm about the scandal began, saying: ‘If I’d had a gun I would have shot myself, just to escape the lynching.’

Asked how seriously he considered suicide, Towns-hend said it was ‘only for a moment’ but added that he had despaired because he was not given any sense that the truth behind his actions would come out.

He added that he had since been plagued by fears that the publicity could lead to baseless further accusations.

More…

The man who sent sex text in error to ALL his contacts… and ended up in prison
TV star Justin Lee Collins ‘tried to push ex-girlfriend in front of a taxi on a drunken night out with Alan Carr’
Sex offender jumped into mother’s car, licked her face and forced her to drive him to court with her two-year-old son in the back

Townshend explained: ‘Imagine three or four girls coming along and saying, “I had sex with Pete in the Sixties, when he was 25 and I was 12”. I know it didn’t happen, but when you’re a pop star people say all kinds of things.

‘I get lots of pictures of children with big noses who claim I’m their dad.’

TOWNSHEND’S BIG REVELATION ABOUT MICK JAGGER
Mick Jagger

Keith Richards famously claimed it was ‘tiny’ in his memoir Life. Now Mick Jagger may be relieved to hear that Pete Townshend has added quite a different description of the Rolling Stone’s manhood in new memoir Who I Am.

According to The Times, Townshend describes Jagger as ‘very well-endowed’ after clocking him in loose pyjama-style trousers without any underwear in 1969. Speaking about the revelation, Townshend said: ‘I did do that very deliberately. Let’s hope it gets the same amount of publicity second time round.

The songwriter said that he had been seeking to help victims of sexual abuse since 1976, which is when he set up the Double-O charity.

In his autobiography, Towns-hend details how when he was six, his musician parents sent him from their London home to live with his mentally ill grandmother Denny in Westgate On Sea, Kent.

He claims she was promiscuous and invited a succession of men to the house.

He recalled: ‘She wouldn’t let me have a lock on my door, which was terrifying.

‘She had one guy that looked like Adolf Hitler, with a little moustache, his hair brushed to the side and a withered arm. He would sit me on his lap and I had to call him Uncle.

‘I don’t want to say I was sexually abused just because it’s convenient to explain why I’m so … complicated, but I also don’t want to deny that what feels to me happened did happen.

‘Not that I was brutally raped, but something very creepy was going on.’

The experience may have been a spur for ‘wicked Uncle Ernie’, the disturbing paedophile character in the 1969 Who album and later cult film, Tommy.

Who I Am by Pete Townshend is published by HarperCollins on Oct 11 at £20

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti…#ixzz2JUtpc7DJ
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TOWNSHEND’S BIG REVELATION ABOUT MICK JAGGER

Mick Jagger

Keith Richards famously claimed it was ‘tiny’ in his memoir Life. Now Mick Jagger may be relieved to hear that Pete Townshend has added quite a different description of the Rolling Stone’s manhood in new memoir Who I Am.

According to The Times, Townshend describes Jagger as ‘very well-endowed’ after clocking him in loose pyjama-style trousers without any underwear in 1969. Speaking about the revelation, Townshend said: ‘I did do that very deliberately. Let’s hope it gets the same amount of publicity second time round.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti…#ixzz2JUvj6XDh
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I remember watching Pete Townsend being arrested on telly when he got his collar felt by Operation Ore. Can’t find it on the internet tho (I wonder why).

But it did happen:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3555287.stm

Can you imagine the Beeb showing stuff like that now?!?
Max, Rofl, Jim, Dave, Gary et al live on camera, breaking news…

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I remember watching Pete Townsend being arrested on telly when he got his collar felt by Operation Ore. Can’t find it on the internet tho (I wonder why).

But it did happen:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3555287.stm

Can you imagine the Beeb showing stuff like that now?!?
Max, Rofl, Jim, Dave, Gary et al live on camera, breaking news…

After the jimmy Savile scandal, many links have dissapeared or been erased.
So no surprsie now. That is why it’s good to print links in words before they are taken out of the internet.

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Being new to all of this:
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Comprehensive answer on the use of D-Notices January 30th, 2013
http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2013/01/…e-of-d-notices

Could we therefore draught a Freedom of Information request to

“After obtaining the list, the Sunday Times stated that it included the names of a number of prominent individuals, some of which were later published by the press.”

Was it just the Sunday Times who published it or another title?

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I posted this on Operation Ore back in November:

No doubt, many paedophiles were swept up in the net, but the presumption of guilt was made by checking credit card details of subscribers to child porn sites.

The (pretty obvious) error was the assumption that the credit cards hadn’t been cloned, stolen, or otherwise compromised.

It took Jim Bates, then an expert witness and computer forensics expert, to blow the whole thing apart when he showed that a simple look at the database showed instances where the same credit card was being used in several countries at the same time.

His reward was to be destroyed by the police, attacking his credibility and was later accused of being a paedophile himself. The case was eventually thrown out, but not before Bates’ reputation was wrecked.

The background to Operation Ore is one interesting read if you want to see crass incompetence and arse covering.

A DA-notice was allegedly applied to the operation by Blair. If true, I was never certain if it was to hide the monumental f*ck up, or to hide the senior names it likely threw up…. Probably both.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p…h-justice.html

I believe that ORE identified the guilty, but it was compromised because the innocent were also included. I can only guess that further research was considered a ‘bad’ idea, and many people were probably very relieved when it was dropped.

In the light of Tom Watson’s comment today, it might be interesting to query with those ‘officials’ whether ORE was ever subject to either a ‘D’ or ‘DA’ notice?

Jim Bates, then an expert witness and computer forensics expert – can he be tracked down?
The membership/payment database – was this held as evidence by the police?
How far did Jim Bates/A another get in analysing the database? Are there names whose credit cards had not been cloned/stolen/compromised? Are these the small number of people named here http://www.amsosa.com/ore.htm ?

Sorry I am just asking questions and not contributing

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Has lots of details about Operation Ore, Jim Bates, his arrest, Chief Constable Port and the prospect of High Court contempt.
http://www.inquisition21.com/index.p…age&PAGE_id=91

Other bits and pieces:

September 2008 Jim Bates Arrested
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09…_bates_arrest/

May 2009 Bates win High Court Appeal against search warrant:
http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog….-police-s.html

May 2009 Jim Bates Statement:
http://bristol.indymedia.org/article…e#comment44013
(also: scroll up for story:
Avon & Somerset Chief Constable faces jail for defying High Court)

June 2009 Further comment on Bates statement:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/10/ore_case/

June 2009 eve of High Court contempt hearing against Police Chief; Hard disks are returned
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Polic…ail/story.html

April 2011 Operation Ore was based on flawed evidence from the start
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04…rs_covered_up/

April 2011 Judge hits police with massive bill over false Operation Ore charges
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04…_wins_damages/

Jan 2013 Chief Constable Colin Port Retired:
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Chief…ail/story.html

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BBC News
Tuesday, 17 December, 2002, 13:57 GMT
Police held in net paedophile inquiry

Fifty police officers have been arrested as part of an investigation into internet paedophiles.

They were among 7,000 British suspects identified by a US inquiry into users of child pornography sites.

The officers were targeted as part of a group of suspects whose jobs gave them special privileges or access to children.

On Tuesday, more than 250 police working on the UK investigation – called Operation Ore – executed 45 search warrants and arrested 34 men in the London area.
The forensic analysis of the hard drives can take up to 15 hours per machine

Assistant Chief Constable Jim Gamble

In total, more than 1,300 homes have been searched, a large number of computers seized and many arrests made since details of British suspects were passed on by US detectives in May of this year.

Child protection charity the NSPCC, whose officers are involved in Operation Ore, said: “Behind these indecent, abusive images are real children who will have suffered immense damage and trauma.”

Further raids

Tuesday’s raids began at 0530 GMT and were the most extensive carried out by the Metropolitan Police as part of its child protection work.

It said in a statement: “A large amount of computer equipment and other evidence was seized which will be examined in due course.”

Assistant Chief Constable Jim Gamble of the National Crime Squad said further raids could be expected across the country as other paedophiles were targeted.

Commenting on the decision to prioritise some suspects he said: “We have looked at those individuals who because of their occupation have special access or special trust with children.”

Of the police officers arrested, eight have been charged and the remainder have been given bail while the investigation continues.

People who have previously been arrested for offences involving child abuse were also targeted.

‘Live investigation’

In London alone at least 28 children have now been identified by the Met, which is dealing with 1,100 suspects.

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Detectives were shocked by the number of white collar suspects
Mr Gamble said Operation Ore was a “very very live investigation”, but that the work involved would take time to complete because of its complex nature.

He said: “We’re talking about a particularly sophisticated type of evidential search that’s required.

“The forensic analysis of the hard drives can take up to 15 hours per machine.”

The work was made even more difficult as raids on suspects’ homes often uncovered two or more computers, Mr Gamble added.

Despite the obstacles a number of forces had completed their part of the investigation, including Northumbria, Lincolnshire and Durham.

International collection

Last month officers said their investigation had been hampered by a lack of resources.

They said there was an urgent need to increase the scale of the operation as one in five of those arrested was thought to be involved in real child abuse.

The British suspects were identified by US detectives working on the biggest ever investigation into internet paedophiles.

They used credit card details to identify 250,000 suspects in more than 60 countries after tracking them through the Landslide website – a gateway to an international collection of child pornography sites.

Thomas Reedy, who ran the website and made millions from it, is now serving a sentence of 1,335 years in the US.

British officers were shocked to discover that most of those arrested were professional people with no previous police record.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2583383.stm

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