A ‘SHILL TEST’: do you believe the Hollie Greig story?

Isn’t it sad that haters, trolls and ‘shills‘ are populating the web to undermine what well-meaning people are doing to compensate for the shortcomings of the mainstream media!?… But:

everybody always does as best as they can. If they knew better, they would do better!

Sharon Kilby has decided to make war on shills – starting with myself and Belinda McKenzie, co-founders of the Association of McKenzie Friends – as public interest advocates.
Sharon’s ‘exposure’ saddens me particularly, for I don’t only believe, I KNOW that she ‘comes from the right place’. So she must have been ‘misguided’ – by mis- and dis-informers – the kinds of people she is declaring war against.

What is even sadder, is the fact that she has helped me big time to take a stance against haters and trolls. But now I have fallen into the shills category in her mind.

  • Because she thinks that everybody who believes the Hollie Greig (a woman of 33 with Downs’ Syndrome) story is a ‘shill’.
  • And I certainly do believe the Hollie Greig story.

Why? Because:

  • I saw Hollie, her mother Ann and her supporter Robert Green at a hearing in the Royal Courts of Justice (who would go through such procedures, if there wasn’t a real reason for it!?)
  • I have spent a lot of time with Belinda who is the spokesperson for the campaign
  • I see the Hollie Greig ‘case’ as the tip of the iceberg of sexual abuse and  paedophilia
  • and I join the dots between paedophilia and / or money as the motivation for institutionalised child snatching.

Sharon believes that anybody who believes Hollie Greig, like her mother Anne, Belinda, Robert Green and many supporters nationwide, is a shill.
But beliefs can turn into understanding and knowledge. May she revise her ‘shill test’! May she learn enough about Hollie to have no doubt!
For the benefit of any reader of any level of familiarity with the ‘story’, here are the chronological facts:

  1. In 1997, Anne Greig’s brother died in suspicious circumstance.
  2. In May 2000, Hollie’s parents separated and she went to a Women’s Refuge with her mum.
  3. Away from her abusive father at last, she had the courage to begin to tell her mother what she had experienced. She named as her abusers her father and her brother. Anne took her to the Police who ordered a forensic examination which confirmed that Hollie had been serially and historically raped since her childhood. However, nothing further was done to arrest the abusers.
  4. As the months went by, Hollie named a further 20 people as abusers. Her father had taken her periodically to meet with this group, some of whom were members of the family. Once again, her mother took her to the Police to make a report. A few days later, in early September, Anne was forcibly sectioned and taken to the local Mental Health Unit. She managed to extricate herself by getting an independent psychiatric opinion and ascertained that the action had been unwarranted. By this time, Anne was determined to fight for for her daughter who pressed her to pursue her abusers, knowing very well the difference between right and wrong.
  5. Having failed to get Grampian Police to investigate Hollie’s allegations, Anne obtained 2 expert reports on Hollie and again took them to the Police. Again: no investigation.
  6. Anne then complained to the Police Complaints Commission Scotland who pursued the matter with Grampian Police, but came to no positive conclusion, because the crucial expert reports were withheld.
  7. However, the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority awarded £13,500 in total on the basis of these reports.
  8. Because of harassment from her husband and others in Scotland, Anne decided to move to England and once again sought refuge, this time in Shropshire. At the same time, her ex-husband absconded to Portugal, taking her inheritance and their son with him.
  9. Having settled in Shropshire, eventually Anne was introduced to Robert Green who took up Hollie’s cause and began campaigning on their behalf. In 2009, a BBC journalist contacted Anne with a view to making a documentary. However, after a considerable amount of material was collected, the program was never broadcast.
  10. In September 2009, two officers from Grampian Police came to Shrewsbury to interview Hollie. She spoke to them for 3 1/2 hours on her own, giving full details of the ordeal she suffered. Once again: no investigation or follow-up.
  11. By this time, the story had become very public on the internet. In December 2009, the then Lord Advocate of Scotland who had been Procurator Fiscal for Aberdeen at the time when Hollie had begun to report her abusers issued a gagging order against the press for linking her name to the Hollie Greig story. Questions as to whose money paid for this action remain unanswered.
  12. Also in December 2009, after twelve years of requesting this from the Crown Office, Anne at last obtained the autopsy report on her brother’s death in 1997 which only deepened her suspicions that it had not been suicide. By this time she also knew from Hollie that, shortly before his death, her uncle Roy had witnessed her father raping her and her father had said “I’ll kill you.”
  13. In January 2010, Robert Green posted an accusation to all of those whom Hollie had named as her alleged abusers and to some of their neighbours, that they were involved in paedophile abuse. He also began to campaign publicly as a general election candidate in Aberdeen on the issues of corruption and paedophilia.
  14. The upshot was that he was arrested and charged with breaching an injunction, which had to be commuted to a breach of the peace. He was released on bail, pending trial which finally took place in January 2012.
  15. He was convicted and sentenced to one year imprisonment. Due to a public campaign, he was released after 3 months.
  16. As a result of the public campaign, pressure was put on the Shropshire authorities, supposedly by Grampian Police, to inhibit Anne and Hollie’s activities. In June 2010 their small house was raided and smashed up by the Police.
  17. Then in July, proceedings started in the Royal Courts of Justice with a view to Hollie being taken into Local Authority care, away from her mother and the campaign.
  18. An appeal was unsuccessful and in 2013, the case is now in the Court of Protection.

If only Grampian Police had performed their public duty to investigate Hollie’s father and brother in May 2000, when the abuse was first reported to them and they obtained confirmation that Hollie was a victim, this public embarrassment, waste of public funds and most likely continued abuse of young girls by these two key paedophiles would have been avoided.
Justice for Hollie and Anne in 2000 would have meant:

  • Roy’s death being properly investigated;
  • Hollie’s main perpetrators being behind bars;
  • Anne’s inheritance money being returned;
  • Anne would not have an unlawfully obtained mental health record;
  • Robert Green would not have had to campaign and name names;
  • and little girls in Portugal and elsewhere would have been safe from at least two major paedophiles!

I guess it’s a sign of success to attract ‘negative publicity’:

  • Banks only give credit now when they get ‘positive publicity’…
  • Americans say ‘any publicity is ok, just spell my name right’…

23 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. maureenjenner
    Feb 13, 2013 @ 19:21:40
    Today I read some beautiful lines sent me by a friend. They may give hope to those who feel helpless, and at the mercy of circumstances:
    ‘Life isn’t about waiting for the storm to pass…it’s about how to dance in the rain. We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust our sails.’
    I know there are times when dancing is impossible, but that’s perhaps the time our imagination should fly – even if it’s about getting justice – one day.

  2. JM
    Feb 13, 2013 @ 21:41:15
    darn shame on Sharon, I certainly believe to but i have more reason to than most.
  3. Philip Thompson
    Feb 14, 2013 @ 02:54:28
    Dear Sabine. With every one of your posts I see what you are DOING. Others just Yap. I would also like to know to which NETWORK that person has access to so as to be able to get so much information about so many people in her TIRADE. People in white coats are on standby and know of her. i also note a Get out Clause, here it is. Belinda, if all these accusations about you prove to be a pack of lies, then I hope you will accept my sincere apologies. What if if I said that she is a thief and then make that same apology. Keep up the good work Sabine.
    • Sabine Kurjo McNeill
      Feb 14, 2013 @ 12:05:33
      Dear Phil
      Remember: it takes one to know one. Doing something means communicating in my view, especially with people who could and should make a difference. It’s not easy! We know that we tend to get fobbed off, we tend NOT to get the kind of collaboration we’re looking for.
      But trust me to keep trying. Meanwhile I look forward to getting 200,000 views to this site as my most popular one. I just wish I could tell which IP addresses belong to nasty people aka haters, trolls and shills…
      In the family courts, I am pursuing two key arguments:
      1. based on the Slovak precedent the requirement to use the extended family
      2. based on two precedents the ‘dreadfulness’ of preventing a baby from being breastfed.
      Will keep you posted on ‘successes’, if and when they might happen…
      Meanwhile: let’s soldier on!
      • JM
        Feb 14, 2013 @ 15:15:20
        on the subject of IP addresses, I’m sure there is a way to identify the government registered one’s…the publicly listed one’s anyway….I’m sure those stats wd make soem interesting/ worrying reading….

  4. Sharon Ann Zaki
    Feb 16, 2013 @ 15:52:34
    It doesn’t matter what you call the controlled opposition – shill, disinfo agent, double agent, cointelpro, plant, troll, half-truthers … they are all gatekeepers. The fact that you believe the HG story is only one of the reasons I believe you are a shill. I have given all the reasons here. The evidence speaks for itself.
    You say I am ‘misguided’; you know I can think for myself; that I am a free spirit and can figure things out for myself.
    My ref to your 50 sites is that you have all the time in the world to pretend to be helping victims. The real NWO warriors are the genuine victims of establishment corruption. Only a genuine victim knows what another genuine victim is going through and will be any real help. We face constant persecution and have very little time to fight back with the only weapon we have – the Truth.
    Re Hollie, see my comment
    Sabine, you could be a politician, you’re that good at spin; you can try to pull the wool over people’s eyes as much as you like, folk who read this site are not as clueless as you and your Knight would like to think. You spin my words when you say “Sharon believes that anybody who believes Hollie Greig, like her mother Anne, Belinda, Robert Green and many supporters nationwide, is a shill.” You know very well that I said anybody who believes the Hollie Greig STORY. Hollie is the only one telling the truth. She is being primed to repeat lies from people in the HDJ group; people like Belinda Mckenzie. She is a bewildered and exploited young woman and is the victim of the HDJ group, not of paedophiles. Spin is LIES.
    I really wish you would find the strength to listen to your conscience and come clean. You must know that you cannot hide behind lies forever. Better to face the music now; people will have more respect for you. You are only putting off the inevitable.
    Truth doesn’t need defending. It just is. It can stand its own ground. Lies need an ever increasing layer upon layer of more lies.
    Philip Thompson, your comment is very revealing; genuine victims do not make veiled threats to people who speak truth. Please explain what you mean by “People in white coats are on standby and know of her.” Are you suggesting I could be sectioned for speaking the truth? What do you know and which masonic lodge do you attend? People [businessmen, policemen, freemasons] have told me that when you try to challenge State corruption you need to be careful because you are up against the Masonic Mafia. Incidentally freemasonry is one subject Sabine never mentions. Wonder why; a ‘victim’s champion’ would surely know all about masonic influence in spheres of power. Sabine, could you tell us your view on freemasonry.
    Stephen Knight says in his book ‘THE BROTHERHOOD’ : ‘Only the fighters have any hope of beating the system once it is at work against them. Most people, fighters of not, are beaten in the end, though. You finish up not knowing who you can trust. You can get no help because your story sounds so paranoid that you are thought a crank, one of those nuts who thinks the whole world is conspiring against them. It is a strange phenomenon. By setting up a situation that most people will think a fantasy, these people can poison every part of a person’s life. If they give in they go under. If they don’t give in it’s only putting off the day because if they fight, so much unhappiness will be brought to the people around them that there will likely come a time when even their families turn against them out of desperation. When that happens and they are without friends wherever they look, they become easy meat. The newspapers will not touch them’.
    ‘There is no defense against an evil which only the victims and the perpetrators know exists’.
    [Incidentally, there is no such thing as a ‘good’ freemason. If you are a mason, you are supporting the evil which originates from the higher echelons and filters down. The footsoldier masons prop up the pyramid structure. All freemasons are NWO gatekeepers.]
    Sabine, you say “Isn’t it sad that haters, trolls and ‘shills‘ are populating the web to undermine what well-meaning people are doing to compensate for the shortcomings of the mainstream media!?” Please will you name the people who you believe are shills.
    In your email you say “I think it is too simplistic to write all MPs and all journos off. You just need to make the effort to find the good ones and to communicate with them. They are on Twitter as well as on email. That’s why I call those that I can work with ‘gold dust’.” Well the evidence is that MPs are working for their puppet masters only. See and Genuine victims have written to all MPs, myself included, and have either been ignored or fobbed off. You know very well that ALL MPs and journos are on the Illuminati payroll – they get paid to waste victims’ time, send them round in circles and feed them empty promises.
    You also say “I’m really, really sorry that this mis-communication has arisen! Can you possibly explain what makes you think that the Hollie story is a hoax – besides those two mis-information sites???” and you emailed me to say that you “spoke with Yolande tonight and she suggested I ask you for your phone number. I would love to know, above all else, where you got your info from that makes you doubt Hollie and her campaign… ” Please, Sabine, stop making yourself look so stupid and desperate. Mis-communication??? I truly wish it was that. That could easily be resolved and we could continue fighting alongside each other. I was gutted when I discovered that you are a soldier for the other side. As for my info, I have clearly referenced it. I have no secret info! As said I do not doubt Hollie. I think it is abhorrent that you have gone along with this HG scam; you should be ashamed of yourself. YOU Sabine, and all the other disgusting pretenders in the HDJ group and the shills [Mckenzie, Gerrish, Maloney, Green, Crane, Icke and lots more] are the ones abusing Hollie.
    Maureen, JM and Yolande you have just revealed that you are just useless timewasters; no better than the sheople gatekeepers. Anyone who does not actively do all they can to stop the NWO is working for the enemy. The role of the gatekeeper is to buy time so that the NWO agenda can trundle on unhindered. There will come a time when all the law enforcement/prison camps are in place and lots of people worldwide will have been killed off/disabled as a result of war and other means, such that there will be NOTHING anyone can do to prevent their own enslavement; that is the NWO. Look, people, this is NOT a game. We do not have much time left. Please understand what we and especially our children/grandchildren are going to have to ‘live’ with if the NWO comes into being. It HAS to be stopped and only WE collectively can stop it. We are at war, whether we like it or not and we either man up and become useful anti-NWO soldiers or we assist the NWO enforcers. There is no half-way house; choose a side. One very effective way to stop the NWO is to expose and oust the gatekeeper shills. Please do not support these people.
    If anyone has any more proof of who the shills are and if you have been blocked from a forum, please contact me.
    I can understand if what I am saying about Sabine, Belinda etc has come as a shock because it really knocked me for six too! Like many of you I have wasted years thinking that these people were on our side, doing wonderful work, but now I see them as they really are – traitors. There is no point trying to kid ourselves. Shills are despicable creatures; they are very effective gatekeepers. They are preventing the people ‘awakening’ to the truth. Shills [freemasons or people beholden to freemasonry] are at the forefront of the so-called ‘Truth Movement’. The truth is, these ‘people’ speak the opposite of truth. Can’t you see, there should be no such thing as a ‘Truth Movement’; if we get rid of the liars and deceivers [the shills] the truth will take care of itself and it will set us free.
    Another effective way to defeat the NWO is to expose the fake ‘victims’. There are many of these charlatans in our midst. They are often the high profile ‘victims’; the ones getting lots of publicity on the well-known ‘Truther’ [shill] sites, TV and Radio. See for a guide as to the shill sites. The role of the fake ‘victim’ is to divert attention from the genuine victims. If there is suspicion that a ‘victim’ is fake, that creates doubt on the truthfulness of all victim stories. The HG scam has thrown into doubt all allegations of child abuse by paedos in high places. The effect of that is that high up paedo rings continue unhindered, children continue to be abused and allegations of cover up can be dismissed.
    People, I am, just like you, on life’s road of discovery. I don’t have all the answers, I’m just piecing the jigsaw together and I’d like some help! And I am just as scared as you are. It is not fun being on the front line, but we have no choice. We owe it to all the other brave warriors out there who have suffered severe hardship, imprisonment and death for the sake of truth – Norman Scarth, Babs Tucker, Brian Haw, Maurice Kirk, Andy McCardle, Patrick Cullinane and so many more real activists and genuine victims. People staying anonymous might as well not bother commenting on boards. They show fear when they don’t reveal their identity. Everyone must face their fear; how can we possibly win this war if our soldiers are showing fear? Only informed, motivated, courageous and honest people can stop the NWO.
    • maureenjenner
      Feb 20, 2013 @ 10:38:51
      Sad words indeed, but words never killed anyone, despite the intent or emotions of the writer.
      That you read the words you condemn, is proof of their potency; similarly your vitriol is best put into words rather than deeds. It’s just sad to be so negative.

  5. John Allman
    Feb 16, 2013 @ 17:08:19
    Whether one “believes” Holly Greig, or anybody else, depends on what is at stake.
    “You’ve watched me cross Niagara Falls on a tight rope pushing this wheel barrow.”, said Blondin. “How many of you believe I could do it again, but this time with somebody sitting in the wheel barrow?”
    The crowd agreed he could do that.
    “Who wants to volunteer to sit in the wheel barrow?”
    Nobody volunteered.
    If the only things that is at stake is whether or not somebody I’ve never heard of will think I’m a shill, if she ever hears of me and my “belief” about Holly Greig, then I might as well just toss a coin, and let heads mean I “believe” Holly Greig, and tails mean that I “disbelieve” her. Or tick the “don’t know” box.
    • Sabine Kurjo McNeill
      Feb 16, 2013 @ 18:28:45
      Good thinking, John!
      Do you have experience with haters / trolls / shills?
      • John Allman
        Feb 16, 2013 @ 19:47:59
        I have experience of being disappointed in others’ behaviour, if that is what you mean.
        • Sabine Kurjo McNeill
          Feb 16, 2013 @ 20:20:04
          No, I meant publicly being attacked / harmed such that people needed to be blocked from posting.
          • John Allman
            Feb 16, 2013 @ 23:29:31
            I only moderate one group, and have never blocked anybody. Comments on my own blog are pre-moderated. Occasionally, I refrain from letting comments through, but not so far because they have attacked me personally. I have had abusive comments addressed towards me in conversations. I have been defamed several times, other than online.
            • Sabine Kurjo McNeill
              Feb 17, 2013 @ 00:59:46
              Thanks, John.
              It helps to share experiences! Especially bad ones so to learn from!…

  6. peter oakes
    Feb 16, 2013 @ 22:00:04
    Hi Sabine Is a “shill” a “trolless” ? these evil ones are with us all the
    time ! ineffectual, timewasters ! non creative rubbish they sure as hell
    could not make an anvil but they know how to f— one up !.

  7. Robert Green back in court. |
    Mar 04, 2013 @ 20:07:57
  8. Ally
    May 22, 2013 @ 18:37:16
    If there was no substance to the Holie Greig sexual abuse / serial rape scandal and the case of assissted suicide of her Uncle Roy, then why are the Grampian Plod Squad flat out arresting and attempting to silence the likes of Robert Green and Rusty Rustige for exposing the coverup and those involved?
    Simply apply the usual ‘cranks’ solution and ignore them – not ‘persecute’ and attract even more attention and publicity.
    To misquote the Bard: ‘Something stinks in Denmark (read Aberdeen) and it isn’t Hamlet’s socks’.

  9. Sarah
    Jun 24, 2013 @ 16:41:06
    I have watched a couple of YouTube videos about this (Robert Green’s talk in Aberdeen, and the Richplanet interview with Robert Green and Hollie’s mother, with Hollie present) and would make the following observations:
    (1) In his Aberdeen talk, Robert Green does not give the impression that he has been given information directly by Hollie Greig. Moreover, he points out that because Hollie has Down’s Syndrome she cannot tell a lie. Leaving aside whether this is a scientific fact or not (it seems doubtful, as people with Down’s Syndrome are human like everyone else), the question is why should he hould feel the need to say this. It’s as if he, or whoever gave him the idea to say this, is challenging those present to believe him, super-proofing the story by claiming that the source is infallible. A story does not need to be super-proofed if it’s already the truth. The truth speaks for itself.
    (2) We are being told that Hollie has named over 20 abusers, many outside the family. How likely is it that a person who does not have Down’s Syndrome let alone one who does would (A) know the names of abusers outside the family (do abusers introduce themselves first?) and (B) remember those names? Hollie Greig says nothing in the Richplanet video other than “yeah” to very simple questions that have nothing to do with the alleged abuse.

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